Showing posts with label WWII. Show all posts
Showing posts with label WWII. Show all posts

Friday, May 1, 2009

Cooler heads might have prevailed

In 1945, President Truman appointed Supreme Court Justice Robert H. Jackson as the chief prosecutor for the planned tribunals to try accused Nazi war criminals:
The privilege of opening the first trial in history for crimes against the peace of the world imposes a grave responsibility. The wrongs which we seek to condemn and punish have been so calculated, so malignant, and so devastating, that civilization cannot tolerate their being ignored, because it cannot survive their being repeated. That four great nations, flushed with victory and stung with injury stay the hand of vengeance and voluntarily submit their captive enemies to the judgment of the law is one of the most significant tributes that Power has ever paid to Reason.

This Tribunal, while it is novel and experimental, is not the product of abstract speculations nor is it created to vindicate legalistic theories. This inquest represents the practical effort of four of the most mighty of nations, with the support of 17 more, to utilize international law to meet the greatest menace of our times-aggressive war. The common sense of mankind demands that law shall not stop with the punishment of petty crimes by little people. It must also reach men who possess themselves of great power and make deliberate and concerted use of it to set in motion evils which. leave no home in the world untouched. It is a cause of that magnitude that the United Nations will lay before Your Honors.

In the prisoners' dock sit twenty-odd broken men. Reproached by the humiliation of those they have led almost as bitterly as by the desolation of those they have attacked, their personal capacity for evil is forever past. It is hard now to perceive in these men as captives the power by which as Nazi leaders they once dominated much of the world and terrified most of it. Merely as individuals their fate is of little consequence to the world.

What makes this inquest significant is that these prisoners represent sinister influences that will lurk in the world long after their bodies have returned to dust. We will show them to be living symbols of racial hatreds, of terrorism and violence, and of the arrogance and cruelty of power. They are symbols of fierce nationalisms and of militarism, of intrigue and war-making which have embroiled Europe generation after generation, crushing its manhood, destroying its homes, and impoverishing its life. They have so identified themselves with the philosophies they conceived and with the forces they directed that any tenderness to them is a victory and an encouragement to all the evils which are attached to their names. Civilization can afford no compromise with the social forces which would gain renewed strength if we deal ambiguously or indecisively with the men in whom those forces now precariously survive.

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No charity can disguise the fact that the forces which these defendants represent, the forces that would advantage and delight in their acquittal, are the darkest and most sinister forces in society-dictatorship and oppression, malevolence and passion, militarism and lawlessness. By their fruits we best know them. Their acts have bathed the world in blood and set civilization back a century. They have subjected their European neighbors to every outrage and torture, every spoliation and deprivation that insolence, cruelty, and greed could inflict. They have brought the German people to the lowest pitch of wretchedness, from which they can entertain no hope of early deliverance. They have stirred hatreds and incited domestic violence on every continent. These are the things that stand in the dock shoulder to shoulder with these prisoners.

The real complaining party at your bar is Civilization. In all our countries it is still a struggling and imperfect thing. It does not plead that the United States, or any other country, has been blameless of the conditions which made the German people easy victims to the blandishments and intimidations of the Nazi conspirators.

But it points to the dreadful sequence of aggressions and crimes I have recited, it points to the weariness of flesh, the exhaustion of resources, and the destruction of all that was beautiful or useful in so much of the world, and to greater potentialities for destruction in the days to come. It is not necessary among the ruins of this ancient and beautiful city with untold members of its civilian inhabitants still buried in its rubble, to argue the proposition that to start or wage an aggressive war has the moral qualities of the worst of crimes. The refuge of the defendants can be only their hope that international law will lag so far behind the moral sense of mankind that conduct which is crime in the moral sense must be regarded as innocent in law.

Civilization asks whether law is so laggard as to be utterly helpless to deal with crimes of this magnitude by criminals of this order of importance. It does not expect that you can make war impossible. It does expect that your juridical action will put the forces of international law, its precepts, its prohibitions and, most of all, its sanctions, on the side of peace, so that men and women of good will, in all countries, may have "leave to live by no man's leave, underneath the law."
Robert H. Jackson, Chief of Counsel for the United States, Nuremberg, Germany, November 21, 1945

To compare al-Qaeda directly to the Nazis is of course to give al-Qaeda far too much credit, but there is an obvious analogy to be made. Of all the reasons that the torture and other depredations of the Bush years should be investigated and prosecuted, perhaps one of the greatest and least-mentioned is this: in addition to losing our moral standing in the world, consider what the world has lost in terms of opportunities to bring organizations like al-Qaeda to light, to expose them for the cowards and liars that they are, and to begin the process of redressing the conditions so as to make such acts as the 9/11 attacks inconceivable to all humanity. I am not naive enough to think that war and terror can be stamped out solely through honesty, but the fundamental laws of human dignity and decency did not cease to function in September 2001. It is precisely the calm and measured tone of Justice Jackson that has been sorely missing for the past 7+ years. What if the knowledge gleaned from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's (pre-torture) interrogation had been made known to the world in 2003 or 2004? What more could have been accomplished in stemming the tide of hatred and violence fomented by the bin Ladens of the world if we had kept our sights on them the whole time? We will never know, and that is a loss that should not go unredressed.

Friday, March 14, 2008

Modern American miltary history, as told by food

Too strange to be missed--"Food Fight". I'm still trying to figure out what food represents Russia (without consulting the cheat sheet). (h/t Brad Plumer).



Obviously, the USA = hamburgers.

My favorite is the use of kimchee to represent Korea.

Monday, June 25, 2007

As promised, I now mock someone for leaving an inane comment!

Yes, I am speaking to you, Daniel Hendricks Simon, for leaving the following comment on my post about Dennis and Elizabeth Kucinich:
Kucinich is a short nazi like Hitler... he doesn't support Israel.... and he looks damn silly with that girl.
Ah, where to begin...it is tempting to go with the ad hominem attacks about the utter cultural irrelevance of Mr. Simon's blog outside of the New York indie-film scene, but I only read the first few posts, so I can't say that for sure. Then there's the whole comparing uber-liberal Dennis Kucinich to the Nazis based on a single issue. I have long thought the whole notion that the failure to fully support anything Israel does makes one automatically anti-Semitic (or even Nazi-like) to be a tired cliche, but it looks like it still has some legs. That's a topic for another post, though. I think ultimately Mr. Simon may have missed the point of my original post: that a homely-looking short man can land a hottie wife, even without a great deal of power as aphrodisiac, and how that makes my incredibly shallow respect for the man skyrocket.

Getting back to the ad hominem to close this post out, the slams of "short" and "silly-looking" seem odd coming from this guy.

In closing, Mr. Simon, thank you for reading my blog. I hope you bring it next time.

Tuesday, February 27, 2007

Condoleeza Rice thinks you are stupid

I'm not going to bother to reprint any of her argument from Fox News yesterday. My opinion of those who try to compare the current war situation to World War II should be clear by now (ignorant, indefensible, and akin to slime mold).

Secretary Rice may have hit a new low by essentially reversing history and suggesting that we should not have used force...wiat, we should have used force but not rebuilt...uhh...shit, I can't make heads or tails of anything she said. You owe it to yourself to watch what Keith Olbermann had to say.

Seriously, watch it.

Don't come back until you've watched it.

This is more like old school SportsCenter Keith, not new stodgy Keith.



OK, hopefully you've watched it by now. I'm too pissed off to write much more. Let me just ask a (presumably rhetorical) question: if Iraq is so comparable to WWII, why are we throwing so few resources at it, where are all the calls for sacrifice, and so forth? We kicked Hitler's ass after throwing everything we had into the fight, and then we threw even more into rebuilding the place. You can't save the world on the cheap.

Thursday, February 22, 2007

The USA's slick new marketing campaign (UPDATED)

This one really threw me off for a while:



This was apparently created as part of a campaign to combat rising anti-Americanism in the UK and elsehwere in Europe. I hate to be a spoilsport, but I have to argue with the some of the "history" presented here--if there were no America, would everything else have proceeded exactly the same way except with right-wing-talking-point-friendly side effects?

Just a thought: if America never existed, there might have never been a French Revolution, so no Napoleonic Wars, no dissolution of the Holy Roman Empire, no Franco-Prussian War, no World War I, and therefore no World War II in which the Soviets could liberate Paris first. That may be going a bit far, so let me slow things down a little.

If there were no America during World War I, but otherwise everything else was the same, how long would the Allies and Central Powers continue slugging it out on the Western Front? It has been suggested that, without U.S. intervention on the Allies' behalf in 1917, the war in the west might have eventually ended in a draw of sorts. Here is one interesting scenario:

In World War I, America remained strictly neutral until the beginning of unrestricted submarine warfare in 1917. To this, America had to respond, but as the President pointed out, this did not commit America to taking part in the disastrous ground war being fought on the French frontier. Instead, a vigorous and ruthless naval campaign was carried out against both German submarines and surface vessels, whether civilian or military. At the same time America’s scientific establishment cam into action, developing a sonar device as early as 1919 and effectively ending attacks on American vessels. Without American intervention, neither side could prevail, and in 1921, with both Germany and France physically and financially exhausted, and threatened from within by Communist revolution, the Western Powers concluded a peace treaty that left matters substantially as they had been in 1914. Without the indignity of military occupation or the vindictive conditions of an imposed peace, including vast “reparations” from the defeated, radical right-wing German parties could gain little traction; an obscure agitator called Hitler was killed in a beer garden brawl in 1937.


My point is simply that nothing about history is pre-ordained (a point I've tried to make in earlier posts) and that hindsight is 20/20.

All the same, it is kind of nice to have the UK stumping for us, isn't it? USA! USA!

UPDATE:

It occurred to me that it sort of sounds like I'm saying that, without America, there would not have been any war for the past 200 years. There certainly would have been wars, just not the same ones. The Crimean War may have occurred unchanged without a US, as well as the Russo-Japanese War. A lot of things would have been different, though, and "better" or "worse" is hard to say. I'm inclined to say worse, though.

Sunday, January 14, 2007

From the horse's mouth

From Bush's big speech:

Victory will not look like the ones our fathers and grandfathers achieved. There will be no surrender ceremony on the deck of a battleship.

Can we please stop comparing the Iraq war or the war on terror to World War II now? It's still pissing me off.

Sunday, December 31, 2006

Stop comparing WOT to WWII!!! Enough already!!!

I received an e-mail with the article linked below recently, asking for my thoughts/opinions, etc.
You might want to read the post before reading on. I responded via e-mail immediately after reading the article--this was prior to Saddam Hussein's execution, although I doubt my analysis and opinions will have changed much. I welcome comments, opinions, and dissent (provided you can dissent without ad hominem attacks). Here goes:

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Where the hell do I start??? Many of the facts about WWII are wrong (although not the important ones). The segue to the war on terror is clunky, to be polite about it.

Furthermore, as so often happens with pro-WOT and war in Iraq arguments, it collapses very quickly under its own contradictions: specifically, if the WOT and WWII are equivalent in their importance for world civilization, then isn’t it criminally negligent for us to not be pouring in the same resources to the WOT as we did in WWII??? I am referring to the figures of $12T spent in WWII versus $160B so far in Iraq. If Iraq is so important, then why aren’t we doing more? Why isn’t everyone, and I mean everyone, being encouraged to do their part? How the hell (I am trying to avoid bad language here) is WWII-era rationing relevant to Bush’s admonition to keep buying things? Why aren’t we rationing gasoline, steel, iron, nylon, Teflon, rubber, and every other freaking resource in short supply so that our troops in the field can have enough? If this is such an epic battle for our very way of life…well, I can think of dozens more questions, none of which are answered in this article. Do not give me any bullshit (sorry, I’m weak) about how the American people lack the will to fight the war or see it through—a people can really only be as strong as their leaders, and no one is encouraging anyone to sacrifice anything. The very definition of “winning” has changed repeatedly over the past 3½ years.

None of this addresses the historical questions, really. But the argument is just so freaking BAD.

A few historical points:
- Between 1 and 2 million people died in 6 months during the siege of Stalingrad, the single worst battle in human history. Nearly a million Russians died in the siege of Leningrad, which lasted over 2 years. Overall, Russia lost over 20 million people. More people died on the German-Soviet front than in the entire rest of the war combined.
- I don’t know about 1928, but in my opinion WWII was a rematch of WWI, although the war never really ended. Russia fought a civil war from 1917 until at least 1922. Italy fought at least two wars in Ethiopia (and used chemical weapons) in the 20’s and 30’s. Italy turned fascist in 1922, when Mussolini was elected. Germany had to wait 11 more years. The Spanish Civil War was basically a warm-up for the German-Soviet war. You could argue that the war in Asia started in 1905 in the Russo-Japanese War, the first time an Asian nation defeated a European power using modern weaponry.
- He’s right about the U.S. military in 1941—we ranked just behind Portugal in terms of the size of our military. Yes, Portugal had a bigger military.

My real problem with this article is that the conclusions do not actually come from the facts, fabrications, exaggerations, and misstatements contained therein. Also, the most glaring difference between WWII and Iraq is ignored: the issue of the nation-state. Germany and Japan were nation-states. Regardless of national borders, the “German people” and the “Japanese people” have existed as distinct entities for centuries if not millennia. What nation-state are we fighting now? Iraq was cobbled together from three Ottoman provinces with no historical connection to one another. It consists of Arabs, Kurds, Turkmen, Assyrians, and several other little-known ethnic groups. Kurds exist as a nation if not a state—they are spread between Iraq, Turkey, Syria, and Iran. The Arabs of Iraq are divided between Sunni and Shiite—the only analogy even close might be the Catholics and Protestants of Northern Ireland or the Albanians and Serbs in Kosovo. There is no historical “Iraqi people” the way there are Kurds, Turks, Persians, French, Italians, Japanese, etc. The only thing holding Iraq together was Saddam Hussein’s iron fist (to use a cliché). Yes, he was a tyrant and a monster and the world is better off without him in the long run, but much like Yugoslavia after communism, no one ever seems to have wondered what would happen to the “Iraqi people” after he was gone. No one could appeal to their national pride because that was not where the social structure is based. People turned to their sects, tribes, groups, whatever you call them. This is completely different from WWII, where there was really no question that “Germany” and “Japan” would continue to exist after their armies were defeated.

Back to the issue of conclusions and premises, let me paste a few select quotes:
“If the Inquisition wins, then the Wahhabis, the Jihadis, will control the Middle East, the OPEC oil, and the US, European, and Asian economies. The techno-industrial economies will be at the mercy of OPEC -- not an OPEC dominated by the educated, rational Saudis of today, but an OPEC dominated by the Jihadis. You want gas in your car? You want heating oil next winter? You want the dollar to be worth anything? You better hope the Jihad, the Muslim Inquisition, loses, and the Islamic Reformation wins.”
A fair point, but he confuses goals with abilities. There will always be someone who wants to re-impose the caliphate, destroy American, or whatever. Al Qaeda has nothing on Nazi Germany in terms of its ability to do lasting damage to the global economy or Western culture.

“We have to help the Reformation win, and to do that we have to fight the Inquisition, i.e., the Wahhabi movement, the Jihad, Al Qaeda and the Islamic terrorist movements. We have to do it somewhere. And we can't do it everywhere at once. We have created a focal point for the battle at a time and place of our choosing........in Iraq.”
What was wrong with Afghanistan? The “Jihadists” weren’t in Iraq until we left the door open.

“Whether Saddam Hussein was directly involved in 9/11 or not, it is undisputed that Saddam has been actively supporting the terrorist movement for decades.”
No it’s not.

“We created a battle, a confrontation, a flash point, with Islamic terrorism in Iraq. We have focused the battle. We are killing bad people, and the ones we get there we won't have to get here.”
This assumes that there is a finite number of “Jihadists,” and if we just kill enough of them, they will fade away. He himself acknowledges, though, that this is an ideology we are fighting. Al Qaeda has no national boundaries and no particular ethnic component. Nazism was a distinctly German ideology, and Japanese imperialism was entirely focused on Japan. Once their armies had surrendered, they really were extinguished as a force anyone needed to worry about. Not so with al Qaeda—anyone, anywhere can be a member. “Killing bad guys” isn’t enough. We didn’t win the Cold War by killing communists; we won it by discrediting the ideology and offering people living under communism a preferable alternative.

“We also have a good shot at creating a democratic, peaceful Iraq, which will be a catalyst for democratic change in the rest of the Middle East, and an outpost for a stabilizing American military presence in the Middle East for as long as it is needed.”

How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How? How?

I will keep asking until one of these jackasses at least attempts an answer. It is not enough to say it. We will not achieve democracy in Iraq with the Power of Intention. I don’t know how much clearer I can make that point. Fuck!

“The Iraq war has, so far, cost the US about $160 billion,which is roughly what 9/11 cost New York. It has also cost about 2,200 American lives, which is roughly 2/3 of the 3,000 lives that the Jihad snuffed on 9/11. But the cost of not fighting and winning W.W.II would have been unimaginably greater -- a world dominated by German and Japanese Nazism.”


I refer the reader to my above comments about the complete lack of sacrifice asked of us in the WOT. Now shut up and go shopping.

“This is not 60 minute TV shows, and 2 hour movies in which everything comes out okay. The real world is not like that. It is messy, uncertain, and sometimes bloody and ugly. Always has been, and probably always will be.”

So they won’t be greeting us as liberators after all? Why did the administration say they would, if the world is really so bloody and messy? Everybody knows this, really, but they also tend to believe their leaders—why else would people willingly go to war throughout history? Is this writer admitting the administration lied through their teeth?

“Americans who oppose the liberation of Iraq are coming down on the side of their own worst enemy.”


Horseshit. Bullshit. Crap. I’m referring to this sentence—nothing ad hominem here, as I don’t know who the writer is. “Opposing the liberation of Iraq” really means opposing letting Bush do whatever he wants. Perhaps it was a bad idea to go into Iraq in the first place, but that milk is spilt. No one who supports the war has any actual counterarguments to criticisms of the war plan, so they accuse critics of wanting to retreat, or “cut and run” as the case may be. It is of course legitimate to wonder if the current plan of attack (to the extent that it exists) is wise or sound. He makes the comparison to Normandy on D-Day. Yes, more Americans died in a single day than have died in the whole Iraq war (I’m not actually sure if it’s true, but let’s go with it). Is he saying D-Day was a bad idea, or that we should quit whining about Iraq because it could be worse? I’m not sure. What I am sure of is this: D-Day was an elaborately crafted plan requiring the cooperation of multiple countries and multiple generals, with a whole hell of a lot of luck thrown in. It could have been a disaster, but it was necessary in order to win the war—meaning drive across Europe to Berlin and stop Germany’s war machine. Every life lost was part of a larger goal, with some of the best military minds working around the clock to plan and adapt.

How is D-Day similar to Iraq? I can’t think of a single way. Sure, we drove into Iraq and took out Iraq’s war machine, much the same way that Nazi Germany took out Belgium’s (sorry, Belgium). Now what? Where is the equivalent of the Marshall Plan for Iraq?

Finally, notice how his argument eventually comes down to criticism of Americans who oppose the war? Didn’t the article start as a brief dissertation on the lesser-known features of American history, then become a call to arms for the WOT?

The simple truth is, there are no honest arguments for why the war in Iraq should continue the way it has. Not. A. Single. One. There are many excellent arguments about the threat posed by al Qaeda, and about what must be done to fight it. As this writer himself says, however, this is primarily a war of ideas and ideas generally cannot be defeated by bombs. Nazi Germany collapsed not only because the Soviet army overran Berlin, but because Hitler proved not to be the savior of the German people that he had claimed to be. Perhaps the most significant act in Japan’s surrender was for the emperor to admit that he was not a god. Communism promised a worker’s paradise here on earth, but the people of eastern Europe only received poverty and repression. There are still Nazis, communists, and arrogant Japanese around, but none of them constitute a global threat. All of these ideologies were proven wrong, and that is what destroyed them.

“Jihadism,” as far as I know, promises an epic showdown with the West, among other things. I say we shouldn’t prove them right.